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about the Lex Friedman and Sam Altman podcast and I watched it I was like 70%
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of it I still like it’s it’s a bit shameful to admit but I didn’t watch it
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till the end and I didn’t watch the podcast with Elon Musk because they kind
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of like refer to each other in the podcast they have like so much animosity
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with this situation with the AI and everything like because you know the
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situation right like Elon he sued open AI for being not open enough and actually
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no I don’t know that you don’t know that yeah okay well the essence is Elon filed
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a suit he sued basically open AI for not being transparent and open enough so he
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wants open AI to open like open source their code okay so to make it like
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public and Sam Altman he made a several comments about that I mean I have to
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watch it to the end so I still don’t understand the full picture and I don’t
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know the position of Elon Musk but I know that it’s kind of a big thing like
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what do you think about AI in general well if we talk about the open AI’s
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specific activity recently years well actually I can only commend this
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situation maybe from the viewpoint of like average user since the open AI I
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used open AI free services as charge up t so and I use it to write my pieces
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that’s not I’m not ashamed because it’s it became normal thing did you write
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masters no no actually it was only used by me to write the abstract format these
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is okay I’m not breaking any rules or laws you perhaps also like fact checked
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and maybe use it instead of Google sometimes in some right respect so well
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how I used it actually as I remember like with open AI before the launch of
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the charge up t there was some like kind of demo platform like that was available
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on their website and I got to know it like before it became a mainstream you
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know because one of my friends he recommended like to use that thing
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because it can actually generate some responses like of whatever you ask so I
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was quite surprised and I asked like okay summarize my work based on this and
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these things and it just gave me like two three paragraphs of text of yeah good
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abstract so and yeah I just use it like as a reference I didn’t just copy and
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paste because recently I just figured out I mean I noticed I saw out there is a
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guy hi hi I saw one post on LinkedIn and it said like it looked like it was
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like an abstract and the first sentence of an abstract was like okay here is
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several options I have for you double dots and the abstract itself oh so it
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got some attention that on LinkedIn and wire like on LinkedIn that the reviewers
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of this journal they even didn’t even try to review it properly to see that
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kind of you know that appeared in a journal yeah it was published it was
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like it was so in Korea or no I think it’s an international journal well it
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was written in English but the authors were from China I guess from China okay
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so the journal probably the publication there was quite expensive and they
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didn’t even check it right yeah so they reviewers are yeah like I think they
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also use chat I think respect and the credibility of that journal dropped
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after this publication I mean after this post or something after it became viral
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but yeah like in general when I use in my case I I use it properly just as a
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reference but yeah coming coming back to your question what do I think about the
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open AI and chat GPT in general AI in general yeah it’s a nice tool I’m not
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sure what kind of lawsuit is going on right now between Elon Musk and the open
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AI but you like if we talk about the Elon Musk personality he’s always that
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kind of guy who makes big news right right right so I’m not surprised I mean I
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wasn’t surprised when you like told me that there is something going between
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them but yeah as an average user I’m really glad that there is such thing
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anyway do you use like four or three point five oh yeah I use the free one the three
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point five three point five however I know that four point oh is much much
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smarter yeah it never used five is actually coming this year really yeah it
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was announced that five is going to come in probably midsummer mid-year okay so
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five Sam promised that it’s going to be like really really the impressive thing
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of the real thing that he actually can be proud of because he kind of said like
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you know in this standoffish manner that for actually sucks and I was like well
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okay okay by your standard if you want to develop a GI right now like this like
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super machine basically for is nothing compared to that right yeah as a
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designer right you you are a designer you are like you you’ve got your
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education before the AI era like yeah you barely graced you barely touched it
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like the AI era was to write my abstract yeah just that just that you didn’t use
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it like to do everything right right right so but do you think that models
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like Sora like the visual models and everything that they are coming for your
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job as a designer or as a designer do you think that you are like much more
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secure than you know other positions I’m not secure as no one else okay okay let
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just let’s just clarify the thing that the AI tools that are available right
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now they are actually tools right they’re not they’re not something that
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actually make designers obsolete in my opinion because yeah we can say that
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mid-journey is now like trending and available it’s already past thing like
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past year thing it’s not something new and those Sora you mentioned I heard
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it’s a thing that I actually can create videos from your prompts yeah yeah well
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have you seen those videos are they like are they can’t do you imagine like
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writing a prompt as a let’s say some marketing team member write a prompt get
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the video upload it on YouTube and just relax like just chill yeah do nothing I
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don’t think that it’s it’s on that level probably it’s on the level that can give
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you some insights so yeah coming back to your questions as a designer product
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designer we do think we create physical products and we do some brainstorming I
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ideation in the beginning of the all that full design process so in the past
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year since me journey became available and I had a like the subscription for
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that me journey thing I used it as a reference tool have you ever used
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Pinterest for example couple times before yeah yeah well basically
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inspiration basically yeah Pinterest is basically much better Google images in
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my opinion so you you can get like huge amount of like photos like images that
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can really suit to whatever you are looking for like let’s say I wanted to
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have a haircut recently right and I was looking for like like men with long hair
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but looking accurately because many images of long hair guys they look very
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messy and that’s kind of sexy thing maybe not in my situation I guess so yeah I
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was looking for something neat something fine and when I made a prompt that kind
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of prompt in Pinterest it gave me like bunch of photos and images but however
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if I use it in in that what was it me journey it would give me like only like
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two three options I can use it as a reference but I would only just refer it
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I would not say that okay like that thing is the actual image yeah yeah like
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I wouldn’t refer to it and yeah it’s not on that level yet it’s not on the level
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of real photos yet but probably is because I’m not experiencing making
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prompts because if you go again in that me journey and you look for like well
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made works of other less image journey users who got there because you can see
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all of them right yeah yeah they there are actually artists who like artists
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who make those prompts and iteratively make those AI generated works look
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better so eventually I think that’s what can be used by designers like us like we
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can iteratively use different prompts to figure out for example how like this
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phone should look like like where these cameras can be like placed on but yeah
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just just a reference it’s not it’s not something that can fully replace us in
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my opinion I think I didn’t answer to your question okay okay so like you use
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it as a reference right and do you remember any distinct examples like any
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distinct problems that you entered no but in terms of mmm okay like my problem
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was that I was looking for the examples of some wearable device that can be
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weird by the users like on the users head and okay right now I’m going to
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talk about the one one of the limitations of that mid-journey thing so
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us as designers we can sketch right we can we we do quick drawings we put our
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ideas directly on a page on the paper and we can do some quick prototyping by
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using some very like low fidelity in any other tools like like clay or paper or
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some fabric and we can actually check like we can we can try to identify like
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the best like location of those let’s say straps that hold that device so
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basically the device was for for exercising the muscles here so let’s say
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that this like platform is solid here so it has to stick somehow on your head
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right so you use kind of straps that and envelope your head so intuitively you
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get some with those keywords you can intuitively kind of understand like the
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placement and the arrangement of all those things but when you like try to
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like before sketching before even trying to put those ideas on the paper let’s
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say we are lazy right lazy creatures so we actually want to get things done
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quite quickly in a few seconds so here we have the mid-journey we put some
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initial bunch of words as a prompt like wearable head device fabric material
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and something something straps something something it generates the images and it
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generates something very awkward and silly thing like it can generate you
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know those masks that respiratory masks that people have to wear when they’re
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like in a coma or something so it’s kind of huge mask it also has those kind of
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straps that envelope it from the back but you see it’s completely different
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like conceptually it doesn’t go into new stuff it already known stuff right
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because it’s trained on something right so yeah as I told at the beginning of
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my like response to your question the limitation is that it’s like even if
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it’s super smart thing let’s say it’s developed in in a like past year by
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those open yeah engineers or others it’s still trained on something so it’s still
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trained on something and when we are trying like in my job when we are
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dealing with something that doesn’t exist and we’re trying to solve like new
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challenges no new problems yeah we cannot fully rely on something that was
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already done yeah because you have to conceptualize and actually come up with
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something new yeah it’s your job right but so in that sense I didn’t enjoy much
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of using the journey I enjoy it more using again the classical Pinterest
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thing right because when it came to not generating new things but just to
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reference existing things with single prompts for example in the mid-journey
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have to wait like one like from one to five minutes right until the images will
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get generated but in the Pinterest it boom like they’re just instantly like
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Google images like it just gives you like hundred images photos and they may
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not actually suit to you what you’ve expected to see but if you click on one
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photo that actually kind of fits to what you were expected to see like some some
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strapped some device right you click on it and it then generates similar yeah
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yeah so that way you can kind of you have a path from something abstract to
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more exact and you can just copy and paste in your PowerPoint or whatever
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like a board right you create the mood board you create like let’s say 10 to 20
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images that actually suit your response and now you can work with those
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references further so now you can again conceptualize as a like further stage on
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existing some ground but yeah mid-journey with its image generation
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capabilities I don’t know it’s it was kind of it’s a long shot it’s a long
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shot it was waste of time yeah but again there are some artists they I should
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give them credit right they’re actually really good they are making again based
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on already existing data they create something more beautiful like more
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bizarre thing for example have you seen those silly silly images generated by AI
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like saying like generate me the richest Kazakh and it generates some like a guy
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who like looks like a rich guy wearing some rich clothes and then you ask like
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generate more make it more rich and it generates you’re like a person with like
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golden like where the clothes and it gets even more bizarre on that yeah I
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mean I don’t know why but I think it’s at the same time funny and sad that it
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can only do that like it can only it can only like throw stereotypes yeah yeah
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already existing knowledge right so that was my experience so far yeah I didn’t
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take my job it didn’t take my job I mean it didn’t steal my job from me yeah
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well yeah that’s a long shot for you I mean you’re a professional in design and
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actually you mentioned you talked about your worry before so can you tell more
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about the place where you used to work at and like what the work was about and
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everything yeah sure so past three and a half years let’s say three years I
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spent it at UNIST so it’s or some National Institute of Science and
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Technology yeah it’s something like KAIST they say like really interesting
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thing if you go to Seoul people there don’t even know what is UNIST yeah yeah I
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mean normal people because I remember do you remember like in 2021 I guess when
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you met we met at COEX design exhibition right my professor was actually
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promoting some kind of novel let’s say the Rubik’s Cube but it’s novel in a way
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that it has some like labyrinth like a maze yeah I remember that inside so you
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put some kind of ball in it and yeah you actually move it the same way as the
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cubic sir the Rubik’s Cube for a taste and you kind of guide the path for that
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ball to come up from another end right that was fun that was fun yeah really
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interesting product but the thing is that when professor was like promoting
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this thing because that the whole like the whole event was about like selling
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your design like your your things that you designed right on that exhibition so
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many citizens of Seoul was coming and they were checking all those things on
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that exhibition and they were asking like oh like what is it like and my
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professor was like when he was explaining he was like mentioning like
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yeah we did it at Eunice like I’m a professor at Eunice and when he was
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explaining Eunice people were like so confused like yeah what is it like where
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is it and he was like I meant I noticed like in the exhibition was lasting like
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in almost one week and like after like second or third day he started the
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introduction of his product is like hey we are from Eunice it is like heist but
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in the sun it is like gist but yeah right right so yeah overall I’m from
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Eunice I graduated there my master’s degree in the design department yeah and
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my so if you ask what kind of design yeah as I mentioned before design of
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physical actual products that people that makes people lives easier better you
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know I can summarize it maybe that way so like you were working there for how
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long three years right yeah there’s been three and are you working right now or
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are you looking for a job right now yeah so a new thing for me I became jobless
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for the first time in my life okay well not jobless since I wasn’t fired or
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something I just terminated my contract and yeah I decided to go for like for an
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open ocean to look for I’m looking for a job right now unfortunately not like a
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designer but as a design engineer is a bit different thing yeah so past three
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years so two of them were in the graduate school I was doing my masters
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and one year I was doing I was actually continuing my master’s research but my
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professor like wanted me to stay as a researcher full-time researcher so yeah
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if we consider that point as a start of my career so yeah I just have one year
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of experience professional experience and now like today’s 21st of March I am
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three weeks jobless that’s nothing that’s nothing so as a as a foreign
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worker as a foreign foreigner in Korea and obviously looking like a foreigner
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because if you look at me I look Korean really so as a foreigner in Korea what
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do you think in the in the job market what’s your take on how like things
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process and what are the requirements of employers here for our viewers out there
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who are not in Korea or who are in Korea but the know the intricacies of this
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process yet so like what’s your take on the job market in Korea as a foreigner
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okay let me clarify the question you’re saying like what what what what okay just
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can you repeat your question I got zoned out okay so yeah what’s your take on
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like my take yeah your take your perspective okay on Korean job market and
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how like how different it is what do you what trends do you see in it okay well
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again if we consider me like a fresh graduate with like a one-year experience
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professional I cannot really just like compare Korean job market with other job
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markets are like out there but so far in my job-looking experience I can say that
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it’s like okay as a since I was I said like I’m not a designer anymore I’m a
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bit more now into engineering because my research was about more engineering
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stuff I have applied to some big tech companies as like for the position of
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mechanical design engineer and so far the process was just like mmm like
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filling out the like the form containing like my personal information and finally
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writing some self introducing essays and like attaching some portfolio or some
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other PDF documents related to certain job position so yeah so far my
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experience been in that but from experience of my friends or my yeah like
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those close to me people yeah I know that the thing goes that you apply for
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something through Korean specifically Korean job looking I mean job posting
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platforms which ones do you use I’ve been used so far Saramin Saramin and I
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heard about the rocket punch it’s kind of Saramin but I heard that it’s more
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for creative professionals like like real designers or some but yeah overall
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people use Saramin basically I’ve tried using like LinkedIn looking for jobs
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available in Korea but most of them require much more experience years of
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experience well specifically if we’re talking about the engineering position
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right because they’re like more global sure and that’s why they require more
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experience yeah I think yeah yeah I think so and well definitely they would
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love to have a certain like engineer with let’s say 10 years of experience
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from from Europe currently residing in Korea maybe somehow somehow and speaking
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Korean it’s yeah I actually I was hoping I hope I hope to how can I say to use it
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as my leverage just be Korean yeah yeah the fact that I have some level of
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understanding Korean and speaking the like this language how well do you speak
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though like in terms of levels of topic let’s say topic five the big fire yeah I
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got topic five in last year October quite recently so I for next two years
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hopefully I will be just using it as my leverage as I told you but yeah it gives
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more opportunities definitely I’m sure that like currently since I’m job
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looking guy I’m not that stressed I don’t know I think because yeah I have
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that topic thing I have oh yeah another thing to talk about is visa my current
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visa it allows me to not be stressed my visa type is f2 oh you got f2 yeah I got
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f2 last year eight yeah also October basically so I got my topic October was
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your best month I think and and these have to be yeah it allows me to actually
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to reside in Korea and not be stressed that immigration office will kick in my
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house and get out of here or something because he seven heard like e7 is you
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first got e7 visa right yeah so no my visa was he three it’s a bit different
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so it’s basically that e category visas are about like working visas right and
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you’re tied to one company right right right cannot literally leave so he three
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was about four workers in research and development area basically like those
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who are in universities working working people they if they have if they want to
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work on a working visa they will work on e3 not e7 but yeah I think basically all
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all the yeah all the characteristics of e7 visa is quite similar with e3 I
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believe yeah and yeah now I am f2 guy and I’m a citizen yeah I should live I’m
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planning to stay in Korea for next maybe three more years and I hope by the end
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of that period that will have a five I’ve been told that it’s possible if
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you’re getting promised yeah like if you have three years being on f2 and you
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kind of contributing to Korean economy doing some research and development
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thing which I’m planning to be doing all these years you will get a five you will
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have permanent residence who told you so immigration office don’t trust those
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guys actually actually probably this video gets like uploaded on some like
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YouTube there is a video of me meeting the who is it the prime and not a prime
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the minister of justice oh yeah I think it was also in October
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or no that was November so in November that guy he actually a big kind of like
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a rock star in in in Korean media so he’s quite looking young actually he’s
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apparently he’s I think over he’s maybe 50s or around 50 years old and he is
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minister of justice and maybe as far as you already know the current president
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of Korea he was also prosecutor or something yeah so they are on the same
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gang friends from past from the past the colleagues not friends probably and that
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guy the minister of justice he was having some kind of media tour so he was
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going to Christ I guess also SNU maybe and he was meeting international
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students Wow who were speaking who were able to speak in Korea in Korean so and
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everything was scripted I will tell you I don’t know even am I allowed to say
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this is not scripted though yeah right I don’t I didn’t even know like what kind
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of questions you will have so yeah so anyway that guy he was touring in those
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let’s say top-tier Korean universities and one of those universities was UNIST
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so he came and we have CIA in at units not not Central Intelligence Agency it’s
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the Center of International on and on it’s well anyway it’s international
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students Center at least they call themselves CIA I don’t know and and and
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they actually like wrote me a message like asking like we know that you speak
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Korean would you please participate in this event that’s intelligence agency
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you speak Korean okay well basically I had other things to be resolved by like
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meeting those people like visa things some like mostly visa things like I was
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they just know you okay yeah basically they know that I I just come into their
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office I start speak Korean I don’t look Korean so basically they like assume
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you’re a celebrity there well apparently yeah there are only few students who can
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speak Korean at units that was again my like distinct thing I think like
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characteristic but yeah anyway so that the minister guy he was he came to
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units I had an opportunity to actually sit right almost right next to him
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actually our names you know like if there is a like that the name tag for
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the minister and this is his chair my tag was here so I was next to him and
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next to me was our one of the international professors from my
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department who my I know personally and like those CIA people from office they
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are walking around like being very nervous and I’m like hey I think it
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would be more like appropriate if professor would sit next to the minister
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not like a some fresh master degree graduate and what did they say yeah they
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said like oh yeah you’re right so they changed our name and actually I was a
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bit nervous to sit right next to him so because I was thinking like there will
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be some security guys standing some behind me yeah I thought that would be
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like that but everything was quite again yeah peaceful very calm most of the
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international students sitting there there was some like public behind us on
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that side there were like press like like or son TV some other TV people like
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came with like big huge cameras standing like taking pictures when he came but
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then like after he made his kind of intro introducing speech they were all
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like like asked to leave that the the space and yeah so we only university
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individuals some other like governmental people were sitting and international
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students sitting who could speak Korean yeah we kind of gave some speech
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scripted my well my question my script was like I had to tell about I had to
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thank that him for that opportunity to get the F2 visa because yeah apparently
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F2 visa and all that visa things that are going right now they are you are
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regulated by those the Justice Ministry and yeah do you think you got your
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visa because you were in that meeting no no I got my visa before so yeah there
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were clearly some people and their scripts were like I spent in Korea like
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more than almost like five or six years
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like I want visa thank you for making such a person anyway so and I was like
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the one who got that visa and I was like thank you and I would love if you guys
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could make it much easier the process because apparently to obtain that visa
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after visa there are only like basically two weeks in a year right where you can
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actually apply and get how can say so your documents could be delivered to the
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like immigration office so there is specific window there is specific time
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we can apply and many people being abroad being on some business trips
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being sick or something having busy with their work they cannot actually they may
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not even know that there is some certain period and they can miss it and if you
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miss it let’s say you have to wait for another year almost yeah and basically
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your current visa let’s say t10 or t2 can run out in that period right right
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which is completely unfair but yeah it’s bureaucracy I mean so all the
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bureaucratic issues there always there is always some bureaucratic thing right
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going on and that makes things very complicated so yeah I asked him like I
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was scripted to ask him like could you make this process easier please for my
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fellow researchers who want to contribute to the research field in
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Korea who want to contribute to Korean economy but they cannot because you guys
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don’t allow them to do it because of your some bureaucratic stupid things
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yeah he was like he was sitting like looking at me like yeah you’re right
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you’re right and looking at another like governmental officials like do it like
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you had a pen you know he actually he made the look like he’s taking no yeah
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yeah yeah he was taking notes very quickly like and in the nose he was like
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heba yeah and he was like yeah we will do it definitely do it there thank you
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for your request yeah and they of course they already all know what kind of
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questions they will be asked and then prepare some answers but like really
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nice sounding answers neat yeah and we were talking about what I don’t remember
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let’s just talk so yeah that was the meeting and yeah we talked about my visa
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how I got it and before that we were talking about my Korean about like what
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like obstacles to you or maybe like just your perspective on the job market but
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we already in a job seeking process right yeah those obstacles like not
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obstacles like per se just comments you know some insights that you yourself
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have imagine imagine I am looking for a job in which I am basically I’m looking
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for a job in your sector yeah or maybe like regardless of the sector in Korea
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what kind of advice would you give me well since I haven’t found it yet I
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would just recommend keep looking don’t give up never give up
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but yeah again everything in I think I think it wasn’t only about job market
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and job seeking process but in general like in your in about life in Korea
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everything is kind of everything depends on the documents on that bureaucratic
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things that you have it yeah it’s it’s a big problem my opinion like because many
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people can are not able to like write things prepare them in time or
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basically they don’t have enough time like you mentioned like there is only
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two weeks window yeah yeah and otherwise if you miss it you’re out right and
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especially with those big companies that required I mean the big companies right
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like the Samsung the Hyundai LG yeah I’m currently applying for those job
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positions that they have right now for fresh graduates basically if you go to
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their website they always have that experience level working positions right
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for those who have again more than five ten years of work experience or some but
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for those who just recently graduated like like me even one year of
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experience they have again that kind of two-week window that two-week period
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when you can apply your when you can like yeah apply and that’s kind of
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stressful because almost all companies all together they have the same period
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which is mom yet in March you have to be able to apply for both like all the
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companies you want that’s a bit problematic but yeah you basically the
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process is not that difficult you just fill out your personal information about
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your degrees you have and yeah you have to fill out your self-introducing essays
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that’s it that’s not quite difficult and the next step in that like hiring
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process is that they look through the documents they may not proceed with you
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for the next step they may can just reject your documents if you didn’t and
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you have to wait for another year half year half a year how well because yeah
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they call it some bunny and hubbungee which means that the first year I mean
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earlier application I mean first half first year first six months of the year
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yeah six months of the year and like last six months of the year so they have
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those two periods right and the hiring process actually lasts half a year as
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well so I’m applying now in March and my documents will be will pass through
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screening hopefully it will not get rejected and during the April I will
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hopefully get that invitation for an interview which may be not on April but
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even on May oh wow well it depends on how many steps they have I can some some
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like let’s say middle and small size companies they can have the interview
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and they directly can write yeah they can set a dead deadline or a date when
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you can actually start your work right but a big companies apparently they
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have that document screening period maybe like one month after your
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application so let’s say now I applied like in the meat of March and probably
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in the meat of April only get notified like what is going on and next step is
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interview but in some those kind of big companies they have like in the
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personality tests they can be online the MBTI or no no no for example in Samsung
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they call it GSAT yeah global Samsung aptitude test I guess something like
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that but that also includes math no like right right right so it includes math
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some like logic based questions and something else like three types of tests
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and also your personality is it yeah I think you can like based on those tests
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you preliminary you you kind of you can include what kind of person you are
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maybe in the math test so be like yeah like the answer is wrong and they’re
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like okay so he’s like nitpicking or something yeah I think I’m wrong yeah
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probably it’s not about the personality but after they have let’s say the
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certain like thousand applicants just imagine then then they have the document
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screening let’s say on the 800 pass and after that math basic math thing and
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basic logical questions right actually they’re all are focused on how quickly
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you will solve those rights they’re not they’re not like high-level math yeah
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that is taught in the university right but very quick things you if you are
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able to deal with those things let’s say out of those 800 maybe 500 pass only
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right 400 and then the like the interview process starts so as far as I
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know they may have online interview or they even can ask you to come to specific
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place to have an offline interview and some companies have just one interview
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but some have two so the first interview is kind of was general HR and I think
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the last interview goes with certain like top-level managers or something who
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actually will hire you with a perspective that you will work in their
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department in their teams so it’s probably a your actual boss will be
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00:42:20,800 –> 00:42:26,200
your prospective boss they’ll have an interview with you and the pre last
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00:42:26,200 –> 00:42:34,240
thing no actually the last thing would be the health check I don’t know why if
421
00:42:34,240 –> 00:42:38,120
you’re able to attend their tests doesn’t that mean already that you’re
422
00:42:38,120 –> 00:42:41,480
healthy enough I’m not I’m not sure what kind of health test is that but yeah they
423
00:42:41,480 –> 00:42:47,080
require some health checkup and all after that after that health checkup you
424
00:42:47,080 –> 00:42:53,000
are yeah you can get hired well that’s quite different from any hiring process
425
00:42:53,000 –> 00:42:57,160
I’ve been through oh really yeah because even though I’m in Korea and I’ve worked
426
00:42:57,160 –> 00:43:00,720
in Korea pretty much all the time but yeah like I’ve never had you know
427
00:43:00,720 –> 00:43:04,920
experience with LG or Samsung you know right take you up yeah yeah so now that
428
00:43:04,920 –> 00:43:10,680
I hear I’ve seen like a bunch of people study for GSAT yeah but like that’s so
429
00:43:10,680 –> 00:43:15,440
unique actually with the aptitude test as you mentioned it’s kind of like going
430
00:43:15,440 –> 00:43:20,640
into university feels like going into university and also it takes half a year
431
00:43:20,640 –> 00:43:25,480
to risk get to a company yes which is insane because people complain about you
432
00:43:25,480 –> 00:43:31,120
know Apple and you know like other is the Amazon and other companies going
433
00:43:31,120 –> 00:43:34,360
through like six seven rounds of interview yeah that’s nothing compared to
434
00:43:34,360 –> 00:43:39,240
like half a year and going through a freaking test yeah with like math and
435
00:43:39,240 –> 00:43:44,680
everything yeah that’s crazy so if you start now and if you are successful you
436
00:43:44,680 –> 00:43:51,880
will get your job by yeah so I like September the best would be August the
437
00:43:51,880 –> 00:43:57,880
best August Wow July end of July August but yeah more deaf most definitely it
438
00:43:57,880 –> 00:44:03,400
will be starting from September what do you and the second as I was mentioning
439
00:44:03,400 –> 00:44:09,640
so this is the first half right yeah no that now this is some money so it’s kind
440
00:44:09,640 –> 00:44:14,520
of okay like top half of the year right and the bottom half of the year is the
441
00:44:14,520 –> 00:44:20,080
hub and II which will also last from September or October and those who will
442
00:44:20,080 –> 00:44:25,160
apply on that period of time they will be prospectively hired in March March
443
00:44:25,160 –> 00:44:30,200
yeah so only these days the guys who applied like last October they are
444
00:44:30,200 –> 00:44:36,840
getting high like Wow so yeah I don’t know why it works this way and why all
445
00:44:36,840 –> 00:44:42,080
the companies have only these specifically designated periods of
446
00:44:42,080 –> 00:44:50,240
application I think it’s to make it more how can I say to I think it depends also on
447
00:44:50,240 –> 00:44:56,600
I mean yeah the curriculum in the universities because students also get
448
00:44:56,600 –> 00:45:03,240
graduated yeah like in February and August right so they get like get to the
449
00:45:03,240 –> 00:45:09,760
test after that Wow so and well my problem was that I didn’t prepare I
450
00:45:09,760 –> 00:45:13,680
mean I didn’t apply for this company as while I was working in my past I mean at
451
00:45:13,680 –> 00:45:20,160
the university but yeah logically it would be much better if I did apply for
452
00:45:20,160 –> 00:45:24,920
the like big companies while I was working in September so now since my
453
00:45:24,920 –> 00:45:30,000
contract ends I would have smoothly right but yeah I didn’t do that I was
454
00:45:30,000 –> 00:45:36,160
quite busy with other stuff yeah definitely I think some Korean
455
00:45:36,160 –> 00:45:41,280
university students foreigners especially they were better to prepare
456
00:45:41,280 –> 00:45:45,840
for the job looking I mean job job seeking process while they’re on their
457
00:45:45,840 –> 00:45:53,600
last semester that’s such a like I would say confusion is the approach to yeah
458
00:45:53,600 –> 00:46:00,880
like Confucianism approach kind of like young bandit in you know early ages they
459
00:46:00,880 –> 00:46:05,840
did prepare for tests for a long time you get the government job okay and they
460
00:46:05,840 –> 00:46:10,160
work for government for basically the whole life so that was like the path for
461
00:46:10,160 –> 00:46:15,680
success in ancient times and it was like kind of a Confucianism teaching that all
462
00:46:15,680 –> 00:46:19,720
you have to study diligently then you have to get a job and then you have to
463
00:46:19,720 –> 00:46:25,760
work your life like in that job and be loyal to that job only so I feel like
464
00:46:25,760 –> 00:46:31,120
yeah like it’s such a very Korean way I would say in approaching your life like
465
00:46:31,120 –> 00:46:35,280
planet so much in advance that you know exactly that you’re going to apply it
466
00:46:35,280 –> 00:46:39,200
for job once you graduate from university and then you’re gonna get it
467
00:46:39,200 –> 00:46:44,100
by the last semester you’re gonna smoothly as you said transfer to that
468
00:46:44,100 –> 00:46:49,680
position so it’s like almost feels like a factory kind of to be honest yeah like
469
00:46:49,680 –> 00:46:54,160
oh yeah I yeah that’s my last semester now I have I should apply for a job in
470
00:46:54,160 –> 00:46:58,160
half a year I’m gonna get it right with along with other graduates and everything
471
00:46:58,160 –> 00:47:05,200
yeah I think it’s it has pros and cons right right I think the pros is
472
00:47:05,200 –> 00:47:12,600
that everything is systematic the way that well yeah you expect now like there
473
00:47:12,600 –> 00:47:19,760
are fresh minds fresh individual who just graduated the companies may already
474
00:47:19,760 –> 00:47:27,240
prepare for that with structurization like the layoffs some like the expected
475
00:47:27,240 –> 00:47:36,400
firings and some and yeah so it allows for the companies to prepare right like
476
00:47:36,400 –> 00:47:42,480
designated periods some HR teams they start like making those posts yeah
477
00:47:42,480 –> 00:47:46,680
probably they they look for like what kind of positions should be opened for
478
00:47:46,680 –> 00:47:53,280
these period of year what departments need more people or some but yeah the
479
00:47:53,280 –> 00:47:58,680
cons I think is the way that again like I have to wait like half a year for you
480
00:47:58,680 –> 00:48:06,600
and again it’s quite weird thing because let’s say I’m applying now for the big
481
00:48:06,600 –> 00:48:16,800
companies right let’s say I got like luckily not likely maybe I deserve to
482
00:48:16,800 –> 00:48:24,240
get hired anyway it will happen like at the end of the August September yeah how
483
00:48:24,240 –> 00:48:28,720
many months we have like six months right maybe five months right before
484
00:48:28,720 –> 00:48:34,000
September what kind of company will hire like what kind of small-sized middle
485
00:48:34,000 –> 00:48:37,880
sized company will would like to hire me for five six months yeah that’s pretty
486
00:48:37,880 –> 00:48:42,160
much impossible most likely the companies they can wait only for one
487
00:48:42,160 –> 00:48:46,560
month notice period so they’d be like yeah we need you right now right right
488
00:48:46,560 –> 00:48:52,000
fill in the ranks so yeah let’s say I also apply for those things to get paid
489
00:48:52,000 –> 00:48:57,360
while waiting my like all those while I’m passing through all those steps into
490
00:48:57,360 –> 00:49:02,840
big companies so I’m doing like let’s say I’m working five months in a certain
491
00:49:02,840 –> 00:49:07,600
company and again if I apply now I have to wait maybe well I get one month so
492
00:49:07,600 –> 00:49:12,160
it’s four months so in four months I’m working in a small-sized company I
493
00:49:12,160 –> 00:49:15,360
actually don’t have any kind of motivation basically to work there right
494
00:49:15,360 –> 00:49:26,160
I mean I can I can I can like I can fake like my effort my job they just sit sit
495
00:49:26,160 –> 00:49:31,480
it out there yeah yeah I can just got get paid and promise to do things delay
496
00:49:31,480 –> 00:49:35,960
some deadlines I don’t know like it can be done right I can be such an asshole
497
00:49:35,960 –> 00:49:43,360
in the actually technically yes but yeah like at the same time I should be quite
498
00:49:43,360 –> 00:49:47,840
confident super confident that I will be get that will get hired by Samsung or
499
00:49:47,840 –> 00:49:52,800
Hyundai or something right because if you don’t if you if you don’t work your
500
00:49:52,800 –> 00:49:56,640
ass off yeah at the company the company is gonna notice it and then once you
501
00:49:56,640 –> 00:50:01,720
fail if you fail or Samsung they’re gonna yeah come back right at you right
502
00:50:01,720 –> 00:50:09,400
so yeah pros and cons so is that your plan like while waiting to look for a
503
00:50:09,400 –> 00:50:14,960
job and maybe work for chunso kill like this has comedy yeah that’s your plan
504
00:50:14,960 –> 00:50:20,480
that’s my plan so that’s Sarah mean that we talked about quite what yeah a couple
505
00:50:20,480 –> 00:50:27,320
minutes ago yeah so in order to not be jobless and still get some working
506
00:50:27,320 –> 00:50:32,360
experience I’m applying for the same similar let’s say engineering positions
507
00:50:32,360 –> 00:50:40,800
available in the chunso yokes yeah and that’s it like I’m actually not against
508
00:50:40,800 –> 00:50:48,000
an idea of working in a small medium-sized companies well I’m not I’m
509
00:50:48,000 –> 00:50:53,160
not sure about like kind of working culture in there in no I worry for some
510
00:50:53,160 –> 00:51:02,440
it’s it’s quite fucking terrible it is fucking terrible it’s like what kind of
511
00:51:02,440 –> 00:51:08,320
company you work I work for a bunch of companies like I mean there is company
512
00:51:08,320 –> 00:51:13,000
called G money transfer it’s considered to be a small medium yeah yeah
513
00:51:13,000 –> 00:51:18,240
definitely small medium because like our numbers were lower than a hundred you
514
00:51:18,240 –> 00:51:24,200
know four people four people count yeah and basically like the good thing about
515
00:51:24,200 –> 00:51:30,720
that was I only worked ten hours a day and that sounds crazy but believe me
516
00:51:30,720 –> 00:51:35,960
like other chunso keel it’s way worse because once I left there and I went to
517
00:51:35,960 –> 00:51:41,700
another one there I had to overwork and was kind of like mandatory because
518
00:51:41,700 –> 00:51:45,640
everyone was overworking so I as a project manager I was working for a
519
00:51:45,640 –> 00:51:51,240
translation like small company that did translations for Korean drama and
520
00:51:51,240 –> 00:51:56,640
everything like all the Korean content and yeah basically there I was a project
521
00:51:56,640 –> 00:52:02,720
manager and so I had team a team of people who were like Chaka they were
522
00:52:02,720 –> 00:52:06,240
come suja they they were doing like proofreading they were doing like
523
00:52:06,240 –> 00:52:09,760
subtitling and everything they were checking like how our freelancers did
524
00:52:09,760 –> 00:52:13,720
the subtitles right and whether they’re good and changing them if necessary but
525
00:52:13,720 –> 00:52:16,400
they were changing most of the time because freelancers didn’t do a really
526
00:52:16,400 –> 00:52:21,360
great great job yeah so because of that and we cannot we were working with such
527
00:52:21,360 –> 00:52:27,760
clients like basically be to be Netflix ARC media you know other clients and
528
00:52:27,760 –> 00:52:31,280
everything so we have to provide them with really good subtitles for their
529
00:52:31,280 –> 00:52:38,000
shows right and that’s why we basically manually checked everything yeah from
530
00:52:38,000 –> 00:52:42,800
start to finish and it takes a lot of time and people like stayed until 2 a.m.
531
00:52:42,800 –> 00:52:48,680
3 a.m. at night cuz I didn’t go home sometimes you cannot just have that
532
00:52:48,680 –> 00:52:52,640
European style of working just saying like four days a week yeah that’s
533
00:52:52,640 –> 00:52:56,680
you’re gonna just leave at six because you have rights right to leave us
534
00:52:56,680 –> 00:53:03,400
because noonchi yeah you have to anyway provide I mean I mean deliver the the
535
00:53:03,400 –> 00:53:07,440
results in certain like designated right of time right and if you don’t you’re
536
00:53:07,440 –> 00:53:11,680
like ah you’re so bad and everything yeah you get scolded you know you can
537
00:53:11,680 –> 00:53:16,200
yeah and honestly if I got scolded let’s say in our country in Kazakhstan yeah I
538
00:53:16,200 –> 00:53:21,040
would not care that much I would be like yeah but that’s my right to go home so
539
00:53:21,040 –> 00:53:24,840
if I have like not enough time to complete my job I’m really sorry but
540
00:53:24,840 –> 00:53:31,240
that’s not my fuck up like per se it’s other people are it’s team the team why
541
00:53:31,240 –> 00:53:36,120
yeah like basically we got more than we can deliver right right you need more
542
00:53:36,120 –> 00:53:40,120
people yeah we want more people or we need less work yeah or we need like
543
00:53:40,120 –> 00:53:44,400
better equipment or better freelancers right right right but in that company
544
00:53:44,400 –> 00:53:49,720
everything was centered around yeah like we are the final stand yeah we are the
545
00:53:49,720 –> 00:53:54,840
last wall like the last line have to do it or we have to finish it even if we
546
00:53:54,840 –> 00:54:02,480
die I think it’s Korean culture thing I believe because yeah basically also in
547
00:54:02,480 –> 00:54:08,700
the university while I did my master degree I did my research well they say
548
00:54:08,700 –> 00:54:13,920
that like while you are a student regardless you even if you are a PhD
549
00:54:13,920 –> 00:54:19,000
even if you are yeah I think it’s a top tier thing right right after PhD you are
550
00:54:19,000 –> 00:54:24,680
not student anymore but yeah right you still kind of have no time for yourself
551
00:54:24,680 –> 00:54:29,920
I mean the professor can call you during weekends can ask you to do some stuff
552
00:54:29,920 –> 00:54:36,200
some tasks crazy he can ask politely but since it’s it should fit in a bigger
553
00:54:36,200 –> 00:54:49,680
picture the way that okay if I kind of reject his request he can he might I
554
00:54:49,680 –> 00:54:55,160
don’t know some you might have some like negative moments consequence yeah
555
00:54:55,160 –> 00:54:59,120
consequences in your like future relationship you can never point finger
556
00:54:59,120 –> 00:55:03,600
to that because he will just make you life miserable I heard I heard many
557
00:55:03,600 –> 00:55:09,320
stories of such things happening luckily my professor wasn’t that kind of person
558
00:55:09,320 –> 00:55:15,160
but yet you know I had some kind of respect to him the way that he also
559
00:55:15,160 –> 00:55:22,800
stayed really up until late night I mean he was at his office up until 12 up until
560
00:55:22,800 –> 00:55:28,000
1 p.m. I remember we were like working on a like robot project robot even you
561
00:55:28,000 –> 00:55:33,680
visit you saw that yeah yeah that so that two-wheeled robot and there was a yeah
562
00:55:33,680 –> 00:55:38,360
there was a deadline so basically when our professor had to report our like a
563
00:55:38,360 –> 00:55:43,880
like full year progress to our to the government basically because that project
564
00:55:43,880 –> 00:55:47,680
was funded by government officials and those government officials were about to
565
00:55:47,680 –> 00:55:53,280
come like next week so he asked me like okay do you have plans on Saturday I
566
00:55:53,280 –> 00:55:59,360
said like no well I could have said like yes but I understood what’s going on
567
00:55:59,360 –> 00:56:08,600
yeah I’m a part of that project that will on which my future I mean next one
568
00:56:08,600 –> 00:56:16,320
year or working will be based on yeah so if the project gets canceled I will not
569
00:56:16,320 –> 00:56:20,520
have an opportunity to wordly yeah to work yeah to stay at the lab as a
570
00:56:20,520 –> 00:56:24,080
researcher right as I told you like after graduation that was my plan and
571
00:56:24,080 –> 00:56:29,960
since if that thing that will not work out I have to now okay I have to start
572
00:56:29,960 –> 00:56:34,600
looking for a job which I’m not prepared for so yeah I was kind of personally
573
00:56:34,600 –> 00:56:40,600
motivated to help out my professor yeah to stay with him all Saturday we also
574
00:56:40,600 –> 00:56:46,440
asked to like one intern to join us so three people we were like assembling that
575
00:56:46,440 –> 00:56:55,280
robot we spent like I think almost 16 hours maybe no oh 12 hours already 14
576
00:56:55,280 –> 00:57:00,480
just assembling yeah we assembled and the problem why it took us so long it
577
00:57:00,480 –> 00:57:07,560
didn’t work oh because we were actually not assembling like our technology we
578
00:57:07,560 –> 00:57:11,920
were we had like existing like the segue do you know the nine-bit segway
579
00:57:11,920 –> 00:57:18,400
thing the scooter we disassembled that thing we put some of our parts and
580
00:57:18,400 –> 00:57:26,000
assemble that electronic technology into our into our like that was demo that
581
00:57:26,000 –> 00:57:31,080
was demo prototype that wasn’t our technology but since that segue thing
582
00:57:31,080 –> 00:57:37,320
works we wanted to demonstrate like okay now like aesthetically it looks like
583
00:57:37,320 –> 00:57:41,900
this is our robot imagine this is our robot it goes around it works it has two
584
00:57:41,900 –> 00:57:47,880
wheels but in it like internally it’s fully segue technology so yeah the
585
00:57:47,880 –> 00:57:52,400
process was that we had to disassemble that thing assemble this thing I was
586
00:57:52,400 –> 00:57:57,520
disassembling this all along myself like for past like me maybe one month but yeah
587
00:57:57,520 –> 00:58:03,400
now professor was like okay all parts that ours came to me now let’s use all
588
00:58:03,400 –> 00:58:08,560
those disassembled components and let’s assemble it in my office let’s do it
589
00:58:08,560 –> 00:58:14,880
like next week we have deadlines and so on so yeah I count on you oh that was he
590
00:58:14,880 –> 00:58:19,680
that was he’s like and like well basically you cannot fail after that yeah
591
00:58:19,680 –> 00:58:24,600
my professor is really I don’t know like many many students in Korea and I think
592
00:58:24,600 –> 00:58:29,720
not only in Korea like many students in Academy they have kind of difficult
593
00:58:29,720 –> 00:58:33,840
toxic relationship with all I have with their professors but mine my professor
594
00:58:33,840 –> 00:58:40,520
was really good guy like yeah he’s perfect guy yes I have a story about
595
00:58:40,520 –> 00:58:47,560
like the bad relationship so I have a friend and she was a master’s student at
596
00:58:47,560 –> 00:58:52,000
PNU like Busan National University and she was master she was getting masters
597
00:58:52,000 –> 00:58:56,000
in chemistry I believe or biology something like that some some like
598
00:58:56,000 –> 00:58:59,580
related to lab and she was doing like she was working legitimately working
599
00:58:59,580 –> 00:59:05,000
for a professor in her lab and her professor was a jerk to her and he was
600
00:59:05,000 –> 00:59:09,840
such a bad professor that basically after she completed her work and she was
601
00:59:09,840 –> 00:59:14,400
like strong alone she was tagged alone for three years instead of two even
602
00:59:14,400 –> 00:59:17,920
though it was supposed to be two because basically she was doing work in a lab on
603
00:59:17,920 –> 00:59:22,760
another people’s projects and on the professor’s projects yeah and then he
604
00:59:22,760 –> 00:59:26,960
said well yeah you are working on your project yes but he didn’t give enough
605
00:59:26,960 –> 00:59:30,520
time and everything so her project quality dropped too but she still
606
00:59:30,520 –> 00:59:33,720
managed to complete it and then he said you know like it’s not good enough I
607
00:59:33,720 –> 00:59:38,120
cannot sign it off right and then she stayed for another year and she
608
00:59:38,120 –> 00:59:42,280
reapplied like saying yeah I now finished my job it’s good so can you
609
00:59:42,280 –> 00:59:45,860
please give me like my like your approval and everything I can defend it
610
00:59:45,860 –> 00:59:49,740
yeah and then he didn’t sign it he didn’t give an approval he said this is
611
00:59:49,740 –> 00:59:55,040
still rubbish and she was like but like you were supervising yeah yeah the
612
00:59:55,040 –> 00:59:58,320
project how can you say that something you supervised for three years is
613
00:59:58,320 –> 01:00:06,640
rubbish because it also means that you yeah yeah yeah did a bad job but
614
01:00:06,640 –> 01:00:11,120
obviously he was trying to like like string her along for as much as possible
615
01:00:11,120 –> 01:00:15,720
okay and then after this she basically burned out and she said like well fuck
616
01:00:15,720 –> 01:00:21,480
that she quit yeah and she quit so she quit three years of masters without
617
01:00:21,480 –> 01:00:26,160
nothing like without anything having no degree right having no degree which I
618
01:00:26,160 –> 01:00:30,480
think weren’t some action because I was like yeah you should go and you know
619
01:00:30,480 –> 01:00:36,880
like sue the guy cuz that’s insane yeah that’s true yeah that’s that happens
620
01:00:36,880 –> 01:00:40,640
she says that happened not only to her she’s not the first victim yeah which
621
01:00:40,640 –> 01:00:47,120
was mind-blowing to me like how can this keep happening right some dictatorship
622
01:00:47,120 –> 01:00:58,360
right yeah well anyway Ali yeah thank you very much for joining much for
623
01:00:58,360 –> 01:01:04,720
joining the podcast yeah and I hope to interview you to talk to you once again
624
01:01:04,720 –> 01:01:10,160
once you go through some stages in your journey into getting like to the big
625
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companies because that’s a really interesting unique story I believe yeah
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like I hope to have it like you know if you’re okay with that like a serious
627
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sure you’re going through a first interview we’re having the podcast about
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that yeah second interview or something like that second step how I fail my
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interest is going to be how do they get how I got to LG or like Samsung so let’s
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believe so yeah thank you very much and yeah let’s talk let’s talk to you yeah
631
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you seem like a good lad all right then yeah my pleasure thank you for having me
632
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and yeah and yeah subscribe to this channel that’s my phrase subscribe to
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this channel I monopolize it so subscribe to this channel hit the
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subscribe button and hit the like button everything you know like we’re going to
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continue to produce this quality content for you guys yeah to give more
636
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transparency and what’s happening in Korea and what’s going on and everything
637
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like the personal stories of people so I my aim my goal here is to bring as many
638
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people as many interesting people as you okay as you are thank you as possible
639
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thank you my English broke sorry like native language anyway yeah aren’t you
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from UK okay okay see you again see you guys